Following along with some of the comments and Loeb's decision to ignore past events leads me to believe maybe the Phenomena is leading us all down a rabbit hole. I don't necessarily buy the ET hypothesis. If they're from some other reality or can traverse time as well perhaps this is a long game effort to further muddy the waters and the collective human position. Maybe It decided to show itself in order to gain more public attention. Now that there's a spotlight on the issue and prominent scientist involved it'll just disappear for a decade or two. They'll be all these studies that show nothing. It may also decide to manifest itself in other, less tangible (or believable) ways leading to more confusion. Just a thought......
Hi Billy, thanks for heads up. Re health effects, this was recommended for study by a panel of scientists and UFO researchers organized by Prof. Peter Sturrock of Stanford Uni. in 1998 (I guess you'll know of this anyway!). Nothing developed from this officially AFAIK but I guess now it is. He wrote "The UFO Enigma" from this meeting. Great read. Press release here.
I think it's right Avi Loeb does things with a clean break, focusing solely on measured data from his team's brand new instruments. He's aiming for peer-reviewed and published work but I'm guessing will have a nod to historical issues in any intro. to a paper (or papers). It'll be a tough enough sell to get through the refereeing process, to say the least, and he knows this.
Appears that particular subsection regarding the new act draws upon the Sturrock paper and outcome of the 1997 conference he conducted at Tarrytown NY in 1997.Interest by the attendees but none would go out on a limb jeopardizing their reputations and risk losing funding money..Society is pretty " fucked up"
Nicely done, Billy. I get the feeling, like Powell said, that these legislative moves are likely the result of what certain committees already know about - specifically what they heard and saw in the ODNI classified briefings. (Are you aware of any leaks?)
Mitt Romney stood close to the red line when he told Jake Tapper: "I don't believe they're coming from foreign adversaries...That would suggest they have a technology which is in a whole different sphere from anything we understand, and, frankly, China and Russia just aren't there. And neither are we, by the way."
And Rep. Tim Burchette (R-TN): "If the Russians had UFO technology they would own us right now...It has to be something that's from out of this galaxy, if in fact it is real."
I'm not on the same page...yet...with those who will claim this is all kabuki theater. But I do subscribe to the opinion these developments are happening in a dimension well distanced from the "need to know" gatekeepers, the Knights Templar of the UFO grail.
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It was just announced that Luis Elizondo has signed a book deal with an imprint of HarperCollins. The press release claims the memoir "promises to reveal shocking not-shared-before details regarding what Elizondo has learned about UFOs and the profound implications for humanity."
A sensationalist blurb to gin-up pre-publication orders? Or will L.E. put one foot over the line?
John Ratcliffe, former Director of National Intelligence, voiced the same thoughts about 4 months ago in agreement with Romney.According to John Greenewald, the manuscript must be first submitted to the Defense Office of Republication before release..... since it involves NDA's and classified information
And how about this as a classic example of "doublethink"?
“The Galileo Project will not engage in retroactive attempts to analyze existing images or radar data, or speculate on prior UAP, observations or anecdotal reports, as these are not conducive to cross-validated, evidence-based scientific explanations.”
WTF?!
How in the hell are they not "conducive to cross-validated, evidence-based scientific explanations"?
I think I get where they are coming from - based on the assumption that whatever phenomenon exists, it's relatively common and repeats with relatively few variations - unfortunately the best testimony indicates otherwise.
In one respect, the accounts in the public domain may be the best source for the broadest range of relevant information - those of us familiar with the history are in the best position to have the broadest overview.
One example - the two school cases: one in Australia and one in Africa, on separate continents; the richness of the information and the credibility of the witnesses can't be matched by long distance blips on sensors.
And didn't a group already do an IR sweep of the asteroid belt many years ago, looking for signs of artificial objects? (Although the technology is definitely better today.)
Do police detectives only dust for fingerprints, or do they seek out witnesses too? If UFOs are ET then are they going to behave like a recurring natural phenomenon or a little bit more intelligently and unpredictable, like criminals?
Spielberg called the Ariel School incident "the greatest mass sighting in modern history." He was the one who got James Fox interested, which led to its inclusion in Fox's latest documentary. No less than Dr. John Mack interviewed many of the children shortly after the incident. (Video clips of some of them are on youtube.) If it was a huge prank or mass hallucination one would think the chair of Harvard's. Psych. department would discover it. All of the kids made drawings (separately) of the craft and entities that had remarkable similarities. I heard an interview not too long ago with one of the original witnesses. She said that at one point she was standing "at arm's length" from one of the beings that emerged from the landed craft.
The refusal to forensically investigate incidents like this indicates to me a deep seated fear masked as "evidence based" scientific rigor.
The "deep seated fear" is rooted in the general public finding out everything that is actually known about the extraterrestrial phenomenon as a whole.
Totalitarians throughout history have known that they cannot remain in control unless they maintain the illusion that they are in constant control of everything that pertains to life or death.
So, now they have co-opted "science" the same way they co-opted "religion" in the past, by turning science into a religion. Hence, the "trust the science" mantra that is now pervasive in relation to anything that people fear. Whether that fear is loss of money, sickness, disease, death, or the unknown (ET), doesn't matter. They have to at least maintain the appearance that they are in control of whatever mechanisms are needed to keep you safe. It is all fear based as opposed to being based on love.
As to Loeb. It is very obvious that the primary thing he had to agree to in order to secure the funding he needed for his new project was to completely ignore and therefore disavow everything that is already known about the phenomenon. The reasons for that are obvious.
I somehow doubt that Elizondo will only share the most significant information with Congress and people who buy his book. If the guy has financial problems, then one can't blame him for making a deal, but it seems unfair that others have been accused of cashing in on the UFO gravy train by writing books, while Elizondo has gained a super-star status through the NY Times article, yet there is zero evidence of him having completed any real investigations or analyses.
Hard data and a public investigation of the Nimitz incident (including the apparent removal of data from ships systems) is the only real way forward for non-insiders. Book deals and blurb really are just theatre.
No one present on the date of the 11-2004 incident has ever learned or come forward to state the identity of the organization that swiftly retrieved the data from The Princeton, except to state that the couriers were in civilian attire.
From one point of view, everything that the politicians are doing, can be argued to be the result of the implications of drones potentially manufactured by foreign nations; all the reporting and research is exactly what the authorities should have been doing in response to a 'mundane' threat, given the existence of these known platforms.
The fact the ball was set rolling by Mellon and Elizondo and their assessment of the apparent extra-terrestrial abilities of said drones, may be inconsequential.
It's a case of Indiana Jones being told to grab the 'rope', when he's in denial about the true nature of the item.
We're just checking out the drone situation. That's all we've been asked to do. Nothing to worry about, just the drones.
Are the tidbits concerning exposure or health effects by .."individuals" (???) or possible "capture or exploit discovered UAP" another form of soft disclosure.....Does "individuals" cover both civilian and military?? No mention of recovery... only discovery. Sorta begs the question : Did the writers of subsection 1652 make a public relations gaffe in the content and language, or is there more tantalizing subterfuge at play? You can be rest assured that Greenewald and Dolan are already all over this.
"the assessment of any health related effects"....jumped out at me. Probably because I'd recently heard a discussion of the Havana Syndrome for which they still don't have an answer. At least not that they're sharing. Could there be a connection with UFOs? Sorry if that's a stupid question. You know I'm at an age that I don't care. I'll ask them :-)
Its an old trope. Russia has been aiming debilitating microwave frequencies at our embassy in Moscow since the 70's. Historical record. But everything is frequency. Some researchers have stated that certain radar frequencies hinder UFO's and is a possibility for the reason of the Roswell crash.
excellent article, analysis...
This guy has gone way, way over the rainbow. I didn't know he was this extreme. Watch at the peril of your own intelligence.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJR99bWe9js&t=1404s
"Space Force Unveils Prototypes Of Uniform For Guardians"
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/space-force-unveils-prototypes-uniform-guardians
Seems we are just juggling classification status of certain data sets.
As for explanations, a terrestrial origin in my view is possible. However the phenomena seems
to present itself in a myriad of ways. Is it science or religion?
We as humans are at a great disadvantage here. Our perceptual limitations are a great hindrance
towards understanding. Be aware that there is a very real nonphysical aspect to this phenomena.
Our evolutionary status is a integral part of this puzzle as well.
Following along with some of the comments and Loeb's decision to ignore past events leads me to believe maybe the Phenomena is leading us all down a rabbit hole. I don't necessarily buy the ET hypothesis. If they're from some other reality or can traverse time as well perhaps this is a long game effort to further muddy the waters and the collective human position. Maybe It decided to show itself in order to gain more public attention. Now that there's a spotlight on the issue and prominent scientist involved it'll just disappear for a decade or two. They'll be all these studies that show nothing. It may also decide to manifest itself in other, less tangible (or believable) ways leading to more confusion. Just a thought......
Hi Billy, thanks for heads up. Re health effects, this was recommended for study by a panel of scientists and UFO researchers organized by Prof. Peter Sturrock of Stanford Uni. in 1998 (I guess you'll know of this anyway!). Nothing developed from this officially AFAIK but I guess now it is. He wrote "The UFO Enigma" from this meeting. Great read. Press release here.
https://news.stanford.edu/pr/98/980629ufostudy.html
I think it's right Avi Loeb does things with a clean break, focusing solely on measured data from his team's brand new instruments. He's aiming for peer-reviewed and published work but I'm guessing will have a nod to historical issues in any intro. to a paper (or papers). It'll be a tough enough sell to get through the refereeing process, to say the least, and he knows this.
Appears that particular subsection regarding the new act draws upon the Sturrock paper and outcome of the 1997 conference he conducted at Tarrytown NY in 1997.Interest by the attendees but none would go out on a limb jeopardizing their reputations and risk losing funding money..Society is pretty " fucked up"
The mainstream news media coverage of UAP's has gone south again
Now the primary focal point of interest is the missing Gabby Petitto and minimal interest in UAP's
Nicely done, Billy. I get the feeling, like Powell said, that these legislative moves are likely the result of what certain committees already know about - specifically what they heard and saw in the ODNI classified briefings. (Are you aware of any leaks?)
Mitt Romney stood close to the red line when he told Jake Tapper: "I don't believe they're coming from foreign adversaries...That would suggest they have a technology which is in a whole different sphere from anything we understand, and, frankly, China and Russia just aren't there. And neither are we, by the way."
And Rep. Tim Burchette (R-TN): "If the Russians had UFO technology they would own us right now...It has to be something that's from out of this galaxy, if in fact it is real."
I'm not on the same page...yet...with those who will claim this is all kabuki theater. But I do subscribe to the opinion these developments are happening in a dimension well distanced from the "need to know" gatekeepers, the Knights Templar of the UFO grail.
...
It was just announced that Luis Elizondo has signed a book deal with an imprint of HarperCollins. The press release claims the memoir "promises to reveal shocking not-shared-before details regarding what Elizondo has learned about UFOs and the profound implications for humanity."
A sensationalist blurb to gin-up pre-publication orders? Or will L.E. put one foot over the line?
...
Still waiting for the Deep Throat of UFO world.
John Ratcliffe, former Director of National Intelligence, voiced the same thoughts about 4 months ago in agreement with Romney.According to John Greenewald, the manuscript must be first submitted to the Defense Office of Republication before release..... since it involves NDA's and classified information
LE is just carrying water for TPTB.
Likewise for Mellon.
And how about this as a classic example of "doublethink"?
“The Galileo Project will not engage in retroactive attempts to analyze existing images or radar data, or speculate on prior UAP, observations or anecdotal reports, as these are not conducive to cross-validated, evidence-based scientific explanations.”
WTF?!
How in the hell are they not "conducive to cross-validated, evidence-based scientific explanations"?
The Rabbit hole gets ever deeper.
The Black Vault FB audience voiced the same thoughts and did not look kindly on L.E.
I don't view Loeb as one with an interest in UAP's
I think I get where they are coming from - based on the assumption that whatever phenomenon exists, it's relatively common and repeats with relatively few variations - unfortunately the best testimony indicates otherwise.
In one respect, the accounts in the public domain may be the best source for the broadest range of relevant information - those of us familiar with the history are in the best position to have the broadest overview.
One example - the two school cases: one in Australia and one in Africa, on separate continents; the richness of the information and the credibility of the witnesses can't be matched by long distance blips on sensors.
And didn't a group already do an IR sweep of the asteroid belt many years ago, looking for signs of artificial objects? (Although the technology is definitely better today.)
Do police detectives only dust for fingerprints, or do they seek out witnesses too? If UFOs are ET then are they going to behave like a recurring natural phenomenon or a little bit more intelligently and unpredictable, like criminals?
Spielberg called the Ariel School incident "the greatest mass sighting in modern history." He was the one who got James Fox interested, which led to its inclusion in Fox's latest documentary. No less than Dr. John Mack interviewed many of the children shortly after the incident. (Video clips of some of them are on youtube.) If it was a huge prank or mass hallucination one would think the chair of Harvard's. Psych. department would discover it. All of the kids made drawings (separately) of the craft and entities that had remarkable similarities. I heard an interview not too long ago with one of the original witnesses. She said that at one point she was standing "at arm's length" from one of the beings that emerged from the landed craft.
The refusal to forensically investigate incidents like this indicates to me a deep seated fear masked as "evidence based" scientific rigor.
The "deep seated fear" is rooted in the general public finding out everything that is actually known about the extraterrestrial phenomenon as a whole.
Totalitarians throughout history have known that they cannot remain in control unless they maintain the illusion that they are in constant control of everything that pertains to life or death.
So, now they have co-opted "science" the same way they co-opted "religion" in the past, by turning science into a religion. Hence, the "trust the science" mantra that is now pervasive in relation to anything that people fear. Whether that fear is loss of money, sickness, disease, death, or the unknown (ET), doesn't matter. They have to at least maintain the appearance that they are in control of whatever mechanisms are needed to keep you safe. It is all fear based as opposed to being based on love.
As to Loeb. It is very obvious that the primary thing he had to agree to in order to secure the funding he needed for his new project was to completely ignore and therefore disavow everything that is already known about the phenomenon. The reasons for that are obvious.
Spielberg lead Fox to " the path " but did not want to personally see Fox regarding the incident.
Spielberg is all about service to self.
Obviously, no interest in "that dust heap called 'history.'" Real science starts today! With MY equipment and parameters!
I somehow doubt that Elizondo will only share the most significant information with Congress and people who buy his book. If the guy has financial problems, then one can't blame him for making a deal, but it seems unfair that others have been accused of cashing in on the UFO gravy train by writing books, while Elizondo has gained a super-star status through the NY Times article, yet there is zero evidence of him having completed any real investigations or analyses.
Hard data and a public investigation of the Nimitz incident (including the apparent removal of data from ships systems) is the only real way forward for non-insiders. Book deals and blurb really are just theatre.
UFO gravy train? Who got rich?
I did say 'accused' :)
Tim Good must have made a few bob, if anyone did. (I have a few of his).
But then the skeptics have also been known to publish.
No one present on the date of the 11-2004 incident has ever learned or come forward to state the identity of the organization that swiftly retrieved the data from The Princeton, except to state that the couriers were in civilian attire.
I was going to mention the Havana Syndrome too, as Rhana did:
https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-570-nikku-madhusudhan-dr-james-giordano-dan-baldwin
From one point of view, everything that the politicians are doing, can be argued to be the result of the implications of drones potentially manufactured by foreign nations; all the reporting and research is exactly what the authorities should have been doing in response to a 'mundane' threat, given the existence of these known platforms.
The fact the ball was set rolling by Mellon and Elizondo and their assessment of the apparent extra-terrestrial abilities of said drones, may be inconsequential.
It's a case of Indiana Jones being told to grab the 'rope', when he's in denial about the true nature of the item.
We're just checking out the drone situation. That's all we've been asked to do. Nothing to worry about, just the drones.
Are the tidbits concerning exposure or health effects by .."individuals" (???) or possible "capture or exploit discovered UAP" another form of soft disclosure.....Does "individuals" cover both civilian and military?? No mention of recovery... only discovery. Sorta begs the question : Did the writers of subsection 1652 make a public relations gaffe in the content and language, or is there more tantalizing subterfuge at play? You can be rest assured that Greenewald and Dolan are already all over this.
"the assessment of any health related effects"....jumped out at me. Probably because I'd recently heard a discussion of the Havana Syndrome for which they still don't have an answer. At least not that they're sharing. Could there be a connection with UFOs? Sorry if that's a stupid question. You know I'm at an age that I don't care. I'll ask them :-)
I've always thought the Havana Syndrome was just too weird and too stupid for either Ivan or the Chinese to be zapping diplomats.
You may be on to something. Hm.
Its an old trope. Russia has been aiming debilitating microwave frequencies at our embassy in Moscow since the 70's. Historical record. But everything is frequency. Some researchers have stated that certain radar frequencies hinder UFO's and is a possibility for the reason of the Roswell crash.
Burroughs' book suggests radar interference played a role in the Rendlesham UFO encounter.