I find it telling that The Phenomenon is still being spun as an invasion threat, events in Brazil back in the 1970s notwithstanding. The whole Space Brothers/Alien Invaders narrative is a great contrast for media types to persuade vulnerable mentalities of one political response or another, but I don't think it's useful at all in understanding The Phenomenon.
I don't think that these obviously superior civilizations are Space Brothers or Alien Invaders. In my view, that is way too simplistic. I think of The Phenomenon as what I call a post-Singularity civilization. That is to say that it is a civilization that has successfully navigated the technological Singularity - when artificial intelligence exceeds biological intelligence, resulting in a fusion of the artificial and the biological paradigms - long, long before this particular human civilization on Earth arose. In fact, I think our civilization is likely a by-product of a previous post-Singularity civilization.
I think we are seeing Disclosure unfold, not because the PTB suddenly saw their heart grow three sizes like the Grinch that Stole Christmas, but because our own Singularity is coming soon and nothing can stop it. (see: Ray Kurzweil, The Singularity is Near.)
There is currently no parity between civilizations and there will be no parity even after Hal Puthoff's technological challenge is met. After the Singularity - should we successfully achieve it - I think we may experience what some might call First (official) Contact with a parent civilization.
AI is nothing more than intuitive software, (which has been around for decades) rebranded as "Artificial Intelligence". Garbage in, garbage out still applies.
Artificial intelligence will never exceed biological intelligence, because artificial intelligence has no soul, and therefore no spirit.
Soul and spirit is what's missing from the entire modern UFO/ET narrative. Either you know that there is a One Infinite Creator, or you don't. And if you don't have that foundational knowledge then everything else is just mental masturbation.
It took a space-invaders scenario to goad the military bureaucracy into taking a sober look at the issue; civilian science, after all, couldn't be bothered. So you may be onto something.
Well, I would offer a couple observations: 1) The scientific community was largely co-opted by the military-industrial complex during the WWII era, and, as a result, civilian science was bullied into submission by policies enabled by the 1953 CIA Robertson Panel, the 1968 Condon Committee, the example made of physicist James McDonald, among other things. (See Dolan: UFOs & the National Security State). There have been some exceptions, like the Sturrock study and the COMETA Report in the late 90s, but otherwise civilian science has been greatly suppressed. 2) I think the space-invader scenario, which has been around forever (H.G. Wells, etc.) is only being promoted by the military bureaucracy now because it's an "imminent" public relations problem and those dealing with it only know how to process it through the lens of the military-industrial complex. I wrote a notable book on all this- and much more. If you'd like, I'll send you a copy.
The reason I asked whether LE mentioned Bigelow is because when TTSA was 1st formed and raising money, the primary reason most of the people who invested did so was because of the meta materials TTSA was supposed to get from Bigelow/BAASS.
As you know that never happened, and the investors paid the price as a result.
All that matters is at TTSA's inception when it was raising investor monies they clearly stated that they were going to receive all of the meta materials held in Las Vegas by BAASS, and that was the huge potential future profits carrot dangled for investors.
Then after they had already raised a good deal of money they were told by BAASS that they couldn't have the materials.
I got the book but only read about 10% so far. Clearly Lue is using the threat potential as his rally cry. Certainly there's reason for concern, but let's be honest with ourselves and consider the significance of current world events. We should be concerned...with ourselves.
What would non humans from some other place think? Stanton Freedman always used that argument for their presence here; the natives are getting alarmingly advanced. Does that actually make these observers a threat, or does that make them ... responsible?
Consider being in the role of monitoring an aggressive species that's possibly on the verge of harnessing the ability to travel the galaxy. They may be justified in preventing that from happening.
When I watched Lacatski being interviewed ( believe it was with Kelleher) I was surprised by my reaction to him. Initially, I found his 'vibe' repulsive and his demeanor strange. This sensation wasn't based on what he was saying, just a feeling. As I continued listening the comments he was making about intel and counter-intel, in general and then as it pertains to disclosure, struck me as neutralizing the subject matter the interviewer and Kelleher wanted to be taken seriously.
Super strange and, at the time, a few months ago, I thought it wouldn't be at all surprising he would eventually try to scuttle disclosure; that behind the scenes, he flips back and forth between intel and counter-intel, depending on the situation and his end goals.
If that's the same interview w/Knapp and Corbell, yeah I caught that one, too. And he was so slippery and capital-M Mysterious I wondered why he agreed to do it. If I were a newbie coming into this thing cold and the Lacatski podcast was my first exposure to it, I'd probably bail on the crank and go back to watching Smoky and The Bandit. But I guess that's what good intel officials do? . . . Per your hitchhiker concerns, your curiosity will obviously prevail. Strange, though, isn't it, how these phenomena subject us to such a range of interpretations. My limited exposures lead me down the Trickster path, with its quasi-playful if not slightly sadistic sense of humor. The first analogy that comes to mind is definitely primal. It's like when I was 14 years old and dreaming about sex, getting a quick glimpse of a desired future here and there from Playboy and Penthouse. Only, instead of closing the deal with age and experience, every time it comes within potential reach via new testimony, footage, documents or trace evidence, it snatches itself away, farther away than before. That said, if I start sneezing blood and BBs out my nostrils, I'll probably lose my clinical detachment.
Yeah, coming to grips with the phenomenon, is like playing chess with a shape shifting octopus. We're working on the who, but the how and the why may never be available to us. Why are we being toyed with? And how do they do it?
Billy, Thank you. What a great article. I have a copy of Imminent and look forward (with combination dread and extreme interest) to reading it.
Having experienced the hitchhiker effect many decades ago, I am afraid of reading anything that might trigger it again. Still, my curiosity is jousting with my fear and winning!
Why plan an "interloper exercise" when the intelligences at large have the ability to mind read on those participants planning their endeavor(?)... refer to cap point incident in 2004 event.
Could Lue have decided to take a full disability based upon his injuries related to combat service, and receiving entitlements with full benefits Would he be still granted to and retain his security clearances, as opposed to relocating from the high cost of living while continuing residing in the DC suburbs(?) His wife had a well paying position in the private sector in the DC area.
I can only conclude that Lue is a standup guy with integrity and fully understood the positives and negatives of simply walking away and restarting his life (first in CA) which is worse than the DC area in costs and housing
Given the apparent precognitive abilities of these things, yeah, trying to bait them would seem futile. On the other hand, assuming we're dealing with the same phenomena, the team at Skinwalker Ranch appears to be quite adept at provoking responses that generate data. Maybe they like showing off and rubbing it in?
Regarding the hitchhikers, there was a scientist recently on Skinwalker Ranch, Dr. Jim Segala, who found gamma radiation is measurably increased when people experience these events at home. Easy enough to find the study if you search. So there is physical evidence of presently unexplainable anomalous data when this happens, they are not simply crazy. These entities, as absurd as some of them might sound and be for reasons we don't understand, can also cause serious long lasting medical injury, illness, and even death, and are not simply hallucinations.
In one of the Skinwalker books I've read, I believe Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, I recall it was mentioned a government employee whose child was physically harmed by entities in their sleep. That is no mere sleep paralysis.
I highly recommend astrophysicist and computer scientist Jacques Vallée's book Confrontations for more on the Colares incident. He goes into it and some other similar bizarre expressions of the phenomena in Brazil and elsewhere, some of it disturbing, such as small crafts called chupas that would patrol an area of the rainforest known for its deer hunters and hunt them in a similar manner to how they hunted animals. It sounds incredible, but the evidence is overwhelming; remote hunters in rural Brazil are not known for faking injury by microwave radiation!
It should be deeply concerning to us that such things go on while we choose to ignore them and attack not only the victims' character, but those who bring them to attention, in order to avoid the uncomfortable fear of the unknown and having to reckon with the failing of our own belief systems and science to explain all of what we observe. Even were these people actually crazy, it would still be wrong to be so disrespectful the way some are. Some wonder why disclosure's so difficult—well, this is why!
"Weakness and ignorance are not barriers to survival, but arrogance is."—Liu Cixin
"by an Other we want to believe is benevolent or, at worst, apathetic"
Just like us humans. Some are benevolent, some are not, and some are just curious travelers stopping by for a look see before they head to the next destination.
But rest assured that if it wasn't for the benevolent ones, the ones with ill intent would have their way with us.
It's a testament to human beings tribalistic us versus them tendencies that so many people think it's either one or the other. Which is why we're our own worst enemy.
5 days ago, James Lacatski told Newsnation that Lue Elizondo was "not involved" with AAWSAP. When confronted with this Lacatski quote on Coast to Coast AM, Elizondo conceded, "No, I was not a part of AAWSAP."
This statement renders Elizondo's entire book, and your write up, completely null and void.
I recall Lacatski saying the same in his book. Lacatski defined the AAWSAP program (which he says is a UAP study, but most would characterise it as a paranormal study with it's focus on Skinwalker Ranch) plus he was the COR, signing off that requirements had been met. AAWSAP had the nickname AATIP on Harry Reid's request for SAP status and AAWSAP was also referred to as AATIP in the report to Congress. It's still very fuzzy just how 'official' Elizondo's AATIP was. Keeping/borrowing the name has caused confusion all round., apparently within the Pentagon as well. What ultimately matters is what Elizondo was doing under that umbrella name.
Judging by Stratton's UAPTF report, one could confusingly surmise that the evidence he and Elizondo discovered was inconclusive. Did Elizondo talk directly to Legacy Program insiders (before Grusch)? Why wasn't Elizondo the whistleblower if he knew as much as Grusch did?
Factor in the bizarre journey of Delonge, his secret advisers and the shenanigans it took to get LE's story into the papers and one starts to wonder just how much planning the entire endeavour required.
Either Elizondo and Mellon had an unprecedented amount of luck on their side, or good planning and a spoonful of deception; after all, whistleblower laws were enacted and individuals were able to come forward. Seems like they won on that count, whatever LE's actual activities were in regards to AATIP.
I've been trying to persuade Billy that if it's a matter of luck or planning, then the evidence points towards planning.
I hope that it's with good intent. Team Mellon's intentions were hard to understand until the whistleblower laws appeared and the insiders came out. Elizondo gave a small speech at the end of the Joe Rogan interview about the dodgy nature of avoiding oversight and withholding information from the public.
The Gatekeepers may not be as powerful as some fear. If their power was unlimited then they wouldn't have to hide.
(I don't think it's a choice as to whether Team Mellon are good or evil, I think it's a choice as to whether Elizondo is insane or the universe is .)
Their power isn't "unlimited". But staying hidden increases their ability to control the narrative by directing what is said and done by the controlled opposition.
Everything LE & Mellon put out there points to hostile ET's. But never a mention of the friendlies.
That's the dead giveaway for me based on my personal experience with the friendlies.
I've yet to hear anyone use game theory and simple economics to argue that advanced ETs are likely to be non-aggressive. Conflict requires resources to be spent on countering your opponent's actions and repairing damage, instead of improving your own situation. While slavery may have been an economic boon to the enslaver, automation, robotics and real AI would be more beneficial. There's also game theory that shows how tit for tat is the optimal response strategy, which basically leads to co-operation being the optimal path forward. (Although we haven't experienced issues relating to vast differences in technological levels, which more than likely are detrimental to the less developed civilisation in that particular relationship. Prime Directive territory).
"I want the want world to know there are evil aliens out there and I'm willing to risk my family's financial welfare to prove it." isn't the most rational objective I've come across, but we agree that he's probably right. (Neither is the desire for America to gain access to advanced alien tech, but then I'm not American.)
AAWSAP was created by Lacatski after visiting Skinwalker Ranch and it just so happened that Bigelow (the ranch owner) won the research contract with a $22m bid. The funds (provided by friend Senator Harry Reid) would have been allocated to BAASS with none of the money going back into government. A result that suggests a bit of luck for all concerned, or a compromised tendering process.
Elizondo apparently tried a similar trick, within government protocols, to obtain funding, but someone else grabbed the money.
Perhaps Jay Stratton was officially/unofficially liaising with BAASS and pursuing military UAP incidents independently within government/military, while BAASS had a phone number that the FAA quoted, for civilians to call with their UFO sightings. If he was, then it wasn't apparently part of the AAWSAP contract (which fully defined the program).
However, that wouldn't tie in with Elizondo's claim that he redefined AATIP to focus on military sightings. (A brand new head and a different focus; a whole new broom with a borrowed name.)
Still, it made a very good headline., if you ignore the realities of the situation; including the fact that even if it could be called a 'government' program, only a handful of people within government were aware of any activity. It wasn't like a secret version of Blue Book, which seemed to be the preferred inference. To date Elizondo's AATIP produced no evidence (except for 3 unanalysed videos) and the only AATIP anecdote was pried out from Elizondo by Joe Rogan 7 years later: the large dark shape underwater that hurtled past the oil platform.
Whatever Elizondo did, is still unclear, but if he spoke to people who worked within a legacy program handling alien tech and if an aerospace company approached 'AATIP' to divest itself of similar materials, then that would be the most significant activity he was involved with. Yet we only got about a sentence for each and no explanation as to why it was Grusch who ultimately blew the whistle (...after the whistleblower protections were in place).
Hi Greenstreet. You are a discredited self-admitted propagandist who formerly worked for the State Department and made "propaganda" (your word, not mine), and everything you have to say or write is therefore completely null and void. No one cares what a such a well-used tool has to say; tool's prior statements contradict what it just said, before the tool's present use.
• The pentagon issued three different and contradictory statements about Elizondo and you think the government has a vendetta against him.
• Senior level DoD officials were trying to shut down UFO programs based on religious reasons, and you've looked into it and found it credible.
• IC are running psyops about UFOs.
• Corbell and Knapp have been positive for cracking UFO secrecy.
• You are glad Congress is involved and holding hearings.
You spread disinformation for your handlers as ridiculous as that Grusch is a "real estate agent in Colorado," which is like referring to "Obama, author and book recommendation list writer."
How much do they pay you to do it? I'm sure it's at a discount rate, given the UFO subject isn't very prestigious to work in even as a professional pseudosceptical state propgandist who's really a joke to anyone who knows anything, but I hope you're managing to get by with the inflation these days nonetheless.
Dear Mr. Cox,
I find it telling that The Phenomenon is still being spun as an invasion threat, events in Brazil back in the 1970s notwithstanding. The whole Space Brothers/Alien Invaders narrative is a great contrast for media types to persuade vulnerable mentalities of one political response or another, but I don't think it's useful at all in understanding The Phenomenon.
I don't think that these obviously superior civilizations are Space Brothers or Alien Invaders. In my view, that is way too simplistic. I think of The Phenomenon as what I call a post-Singularity civilization. That is to say that it is a civilization that has successfully navigated the technological Singularity - when artificial intelligence exceeds biological intelligence, resulting in a fusion of the artificial and the biological paradigms - long, long before this particular human civilization on Earth arose. In fact, I think our civilization is likely a by-product of a previous post-Singularity civilization.
I think we are seeing Disclosure unfold, not because the PTB suddenly saw their heart grow three sizes like the Grinch that Stole Christmas, but because our own Singularity is coming soon and nothing can stop it. (see: Ray Kurzweil, The Singularity is Near.)
There is currently no parity between civilizations and there will be no parity even after Hal Puthoff's technological challenge is met. After the Singularity - should we successfully achieve it - I think we may experience what some might call First (official) Contact with a parent civilization.
Steve S. Lazarus
Kurzwell is a classic example of a materialist.
AI is nothing more than intuitive software, (which has been around for decades) rebranded as "Artificial Intelligence". Garbage in, garbage out still applies.
Artificial intelligence will never exceed biological intelligence, because artificial intelligence has no soul, and therefore no spirit.
Soul and spirit is what's missing from the entire modern UFO/ET narrative. Either you know that there is a One Infinite Creator, or you don't. And if you don't have that foundational knowledge then everything else is just mental masturbation.
DERP
Is that an AI generated response?
It took a space-invaders scenario to goad the military bureaucracy into taking a sober look at the issue; civilian science, after all, couldn't be bothered. So you may be onto something.
Well, I would offer a couple observations: 1) The scientific community was largely co-opted by the military-industrial complex during the WWII era, and, as a result, civilian science was bullied into submission by policies enabled by the 1953 CIA Robertson Panel, the 1968 Condon Committee, the example made of physicist James McDonald, among other things. (See Dolan: UFOs & the National Security State). There have been some exceptions, like the Sturrock study and the COMETA Report in the late 90s, but otherwise civilian science has been greatly suppressed. 2) I think the space-invader scenario, which has been around forever (H.G. Wells, etc.) is only being promoted by the military bureaucracy now because it's an "imminent" public relations problem and those dealing with it only know how to process it through the lens of the military-industrial complex. I wrote a notable book on all this- and much more. If you'd like, I'll send you a copy.
Congratulations on your acknowledgement in the back of the book, Billy!
Awww shucks . . .
Question for anyone who has read "Imminent".
Is Bob Bigelow mentioned anywhere in the book?
Yes.
Thanks.
Interesting review:
https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-imminent-by-luis-elizondo#comments
Zzzzzz . . .
The reason I asked whether LE mentioned Bigelow is because when TTSA was 1st formed and raising money, the primary reason most of the people who invested did so was because of the meta materials TTSA was supposed to get from Bigelow/BAASS.
As you know that never happened, and the investors paid the price as a result.
A classic bait and switch.
I thought they did get a piece of the bismuth slag. Linda M. Howe sold it to them for a pretty penny if we recall correctly.
All that matters is at TTSA's inception when it was raising investor monies they clearly stated that they were going to receive all of the meta materials held in Las Vegas by BAASS, and that was the huge potential future profits carrot dangled for investors.
Then after they had already raised a good deal of money they were told by BAASS that they couldn't have the materials.
I got the book but only read about 10% so far. Clearly Lue is using the threat potential as his rally cry. Certainly there's reason for concern, but let's be honest with ourselves and consider the significance of current world events. We should be concerned...with ourselves.
What would non humans from some other place think? Stanton Freedman always used that argument for their presence here; the natives are getting alarmingly advanced. Does that actually make these observers a threat, or does that make them ... responsible?
Consider being in the role of monitoring an aggressive species that's possibly on the verge of harnessing the ability to travel the galaxy. They may be justified in preventing that from happening.
When I watched Lacatski being interviewed ( believe it was with Kelleher) I was surprised by my reaction to him. Initially, I found his 'vibe' repulsive and his demeanor strange. This sensation wasn't based on what he was saying, just a feeling. As I continued listening the comments he was making about intel and counter-intel, in general and then as it pertains to disclosure, struck me as neutralizing the subject matter the interviewer and Kelleher wanted to be taken seriously.
Super strange and, at the time, a few months ago, I thought it wouldn't be at all surprising he would eventually try to scuttle disclosure; that behind the scenes, he flips back and forth between intel and counter-intel, depending on the situation and his end goals.
If that's the same interview w/Knapp and Corbell, yeah I caught that one, too. And he was so slippery and capital-M Mysterious I wondered why he agreed to do it. If I were a newbie coming into this thing cold and the Lacatski podcast was my first exposure to it, I'd probably bail on the crank and go back to watching Smoky and The Bandit. But I guess that's what good intel officials do? . . . Per your hitchhiker concerns, your curiosity will obviously prevail. Strange, though, isn't it, how these phenomena subject us to such a range of interpretations. My limited exposures lead me down the Trickster path, with its quasi-playful if not slightly sadistic sense of humor. The first analogy that comes to mind is definitely primal. It's like when I was 14 years old and dreaming about sex, getting a quick glimpse of a desired future here and there from Playboy and Penthouse. Only, instead of closing the deal with age and experience, every time it comes within potential reach via new testimony, footage, documents or trace evidence, it snatches itself away, farther away than before. That said, if I start sneezing blood and BBs out my nostrils, I'll probably lose my clinical detachment.
Billy, I never knew that you watched the" TV Land " channel, which is a soothing escape from exposure to current events.
Can't go wrong with Andy Griffith, Joe.
I'm a charter member of the Ernest T. Bass fan club.
"I'm a little mean, but I make up for it by being real healthy."
Yeah, coming to grips with the phenomenon, is like playing chess with a shape shifting octopus. We're working on the who, but the how and the why may never be available to us. Why are we being toyed with? And how do they do it?
Billy, Thank you. What a great article. I have a copy of Imminent and look forward (with combination dread and extreme interest) to reading it.
Having experienced the hitchhiker effect many decades ago, I am afraid of reading anything that might trigger it again. Still, my curiosity is jousting with my fear and winning!
Billy , you can post your book review on Amazon
Lue's book was great but I have a few concerns:
Why plan an "interloper exercise" when the intelligences at large have the ability to mind read on those participants planning their endeavor(?)... refer to cap point incident in 2004 event.
Could Lue have decided to take a full disability based upon his injuries related to combat service, and receiving entitlements with full benefits Would he be still granted to and retain his security clearances, as opposed to relocating from the high cost of living while continuing residing in the DC suburbs(?) His wife had a well paying position in the private sector in the DC area.
I can only conclude that Lue is a standup guy with integrity and fully understood the positives and negatives of simply walking away and restarting his life (first in CA) which is worse than the DC area in costs and housing
Given the apparent precognitive abilities of these things, yeah, trying to bait them would seem futile. On the other hand, assuming we're dealing with the same phenomena, the team at Skinwalker Ranch appears to be quite adept at provoking responses that generate data. Maybe they like showing off and rubbing it in?
Or perhaps there's more than 1 species here and the "showoffs" are more human-like than the even higher functioning ones with precognitive abilities.
Regarding the hitchhikers, there was a scientist recently on Skinwalker Ranch, Dr. Jim Segala, who found gamma radiation is measurably increased when people experience these events at home. Easy enough to find the study if you search. So there is physical evidence of presently unexplainable anomalous data when this happens, they are not simply crazy. These entities, as absurd as some of them might sound and be for reasons we don't understand, can also cause serious long lasting medical injury, illness, and even death, and are not simply hallucinations.
In one of the Skinwalker books I've read, I believe Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, I recall it was mentioned a government employee whose child was physically harmed by entities in their sleep. That is no mere sleep paralysis.
I highly recommend astrophysicist and computer scientist Jacques Vallée's book Confrontations for more on the Colares incident. He goes into it and some other similar bizarre expressions of the phenomena in Brazil and elsewhere, some of it disturbing, such as small crafts called chupas that would patrol an area of the rainforest known for its deer hunters and hunt them in a similar manner to how they hunted animals. It sounds incredible, but the evidence is overwhelming; remote hunters in rural Brazil are not known for faking injury by microwave radiation!
It should be deeply concerning to us that such things go on while we choose to ignore them and attack not only the victims' character, but those who bring them to attention, in order to avoid the uncomfortable fear of the unknown and having to reckon with the failing of our own belief systems and science to explain all of what we observe. Even were these people actually crazy, it would still be wrong to be so disrespectful the way some are. Some wonder why disclosure's so difficult—well, this is why!
"Weakness and ignorance are not barriers to survival, but arrogance is."—Liu Cixin
"by an Other we want to believe is benevolent or, at worst, apathetic"
Just like us humans. Some are benevolent, some are not, and some are just curious travelers stopping by for a look see before they head to the next destination.
But rest assured that if it wasn't for the benevolent ones, the ones with ill intent would have their way with us.
It's a testament to human beings tribalistic us versus them tendencies that so many people think it's either one or the other. Which is why we're our own worst enemy.
--
I clicked "like" but it didn't register. Probably me. Total dinosaur re/tech.
Grrrrr . . .
Maybe it's not me. It happened again when I tried to "like" this. :-) :-)
At least you "tried" to like it . . .
5 days ago, James Lacatski told Newsnation that Lue Elizondo was "not involved" with AAWSAP. When confronted with this Lacatski quote on Coast to Coast AM, Elizondo conceded, "No, I was not a part of AAWSAP."
This statement renders Elizondo's entire book, and your write up, completely null and void.
I recall Lacatski saying the same in his book. Lacatski defined the AAWSAP program (which he says is a UAP study, but most would characterise it as a paranormal study with it's focus on Skinwalker Ranch) plus he was the COR, signing off that requirements had been met. AAWSAP had the nickname AATIP on Harry Reid's request for SAP status and AAWSAP was also referred to as AATIP in the report to Congress. It's still very fuzzy just how 'official' Elizondo's AATIP was. Keeping/borrowing the name has caused confusion all round., apparently within the Pentagon as well. What ultimately matters is what Elizondo was doing under that umbrella name.
Judging by Stratton's UAPTF report, one could confusingly surmise that the evidence he and Elizondo discovered was inconclusive. Did Elizondo talk directly to Legacy Program insiders (before Grusch)? Why wasn't Elizondo the whistleblower if he knew as much as Grusch did?
Factor in the bizarre journey of Delonge, his secret advisers and the shenanigans it took to get LE's story into the papers and one starts to wonder just how much planning the entire endeavour required.
Either Elizondo and Mellon had an unprecedented amount of luck on their side, or good planning and a spoonful of deception; after all, whistleblower laws were enacted and individuals were able to come forward. Seems like they won on that count, whatever LE's actual activities were in regards to AATIP.
LE, Mellon, Grusch, (name your "whistleblower"), are all controlled opposition. Were they not, they'd be dead by now.
There's no such thing as "luck", Freeman. Luck is what you make it.
Very similar to Elon Musk buying Twitter, making himself the supposed champion of free speech, and allowing people who'd been banned back on Twitter.
Then he hires a woman as CEO who is a WEF deep statist actor.
I've been trying to persuade Billy that if it's a matter of luck or planning, then the evidence points towards planning.
I hope that it's with good intent. Team Mellon's intentions were hard to understand until the whistleblower laws appeared and the insiders came out. Elizondo gave a small speech at the end of the Joe Rogan interview about the dodgy nature of avoiding oversight and withholding information from the public.
The Gatekeepers may not be as powerful as some fear. If their power was unlimited then they wouldn't have to hide.
(I don't think it's a choice as to whether Team Mellon are good or evil, I think it's a choice as to whether Elizondo is insane or the universe is .)
Their power isn't "unlimited". But staying hidden increases their ability to control the narrative by directing what is said and done by the controlled opposition.
Everything LE & Mellon put out there points to hostile ET's. But never a mention of the friendlies.
That's the dead giveaway for me based on my personal experience with the friendlies.
And I'm not buying the hitchhiker story.
I've yet to hear anyone use game theory and simple economics to argue that advanced ETs are likely to be non-aggressive. Conflict requires resources to be spent on countering your opponent's actions and repairing damage, instead of improving your own situation. While slavery may have been an economic boon to the enslaver, automation, robotics and real AI would be more beneficial. There's also game theory that shows how tit for tat is the optimal response strategy, which basically leads to co-operation being the optimal path forward. (Although we haven't experienced issues relating to vast differences in technological levels, which more than likely are detrimental to the less developed civilisation in that particular relationship. Prime Directive territory).
It's cheaper in the long run to play nice.
false dichotomy
noun
A situation in which two alternative points of views are presented as the only options, whereas others are available.
Defining "advanced ETs" is like defining advanced humans.
Advanced compared to whom?
Just like human beings. Why wouldn't ET's have different levels of advancement?
"I want the want world to know there are evil aliens out there and I'm willing to risk my family's financial welfare to prove it." isn't the most rational objective I've come across, but we agree that he's probably right. (Neither is the desire for America to gain access to advanced alien tech, but then I'm not American.)
One has to view it in a wider context too.
AAWSAP was created by Lacatski after visiting Skinwalker Ranch and it just so happened that Bigelow (the ranch owner) won the research contract with a $22m bid. The funds (provided by friend Senator Harry Reid) would have been allocated to BAASS with none of the money going back into government. A result that suggests a bit of luck for all concerned, or a compromised tendering process.
Elizondo apparently tried a similar trick, within government protocols, to obtain funding, but someone else grabbed the money.
Perhaps Jay Stratton was officially/unofficially liaising with BAASS and pursuing military UAP incidents independently within government/military, while BAASS had a phone number that the FAA quoted, for civilians to call with their UFO sightings. If he was, then it wasn't apparently part of the AAWSAP contract (which fully defined the program).
However, that wouldn't tie in with Elizondo's claim that he redefined AATIP to focus on military sightings. (A brand new head and a different focus; a whole new broom with a borrowed name.)
Still, it made a very good headline., if you ignore the realities of the situation; including the fact that even if it could be called a 'government' program, only a handful of people within government were aware of any activity. It wasn't like a secret version of Blue Book, which seemed to be the preferred inference. To date Elizondo's AATIP produced no evidence (except for 3 unanalysed videos) and the only AATIP anecdote was pried out from Elizondo by Joe Rogan 7 years later: the large dark shape underwater that hurtled past the oil platform.
Whatever Elizondo did, is still unclear, but if he spoke to people who worked within a legacy program handling alien tech and if an aerospace company approached 'AATIP' to divest itself of similar materials, then that would be the most significant activity he was involved with. Yet we only got about a sentence for each and no explanation as to why it was Grusch who ultimately blew the whistle (...after the whistleblower protections were in place).
Hi Greenstreet. You are a discredited self-admitted propagandist who formerly worked for the State Department and made "propaganda" (your word, not mine), and everything you have to say or write is therefore completely null and void. No one cares what a such a well-used tool has to say; tool's prior statements contradict what it just said, before the tool's present use.
https://youtu.be/_g8ruYINDzI?t=3628
In this interview, you say:
• You believe Dr. Eric Davis and Lue Elizondo.
• The pentagon issued three different and contradictory statements about Elizondo and you think the government has a vendetta against him.
• Senior level DoD officials were trying to shut down UFO programs based on religious reasons, and you've looked into it and found it credible.
• IC are running psyops about UFOs.
• Corbell and Knapp have been positive for cracking UFO secrecy.
• You are glad Congress is involved and holding hearings.
You spread disinformation for your handlers as ridiculous as that Grusch is a "real estate agent in Colorado," which is like referring to "Obama, author and book recommendation list writer."
How much do they pay you to do it? I'm sure it's at a discount rate, given the UFO subject isn't very prestigious to work in even as a professional pseudosceptical state propgandist who's really a joke to anyone who knows anything, but I hope you're managing to get by with the inflation these days nonetheless.
Great hearing from you again, Steven. You still writing for the Post?
Still awaiting a specific reply..Still waiting