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We can only hope they can't communicate with the animals, plants, or planet. If the plants and animals tell them how humans have treated them and the human disregard for the planet in general it may not be so fun not being the most advanced, top intelligence at all.
Facts. Swiss Billy Meier of theyfly dot com, has had over 1700 face to face chats, since 1943 with a group of human ets, here on a now completed 35,000 years mission. They have left us with 45,000 pages of data, some still not translated from German. The contacts were conducted in German, that these human ets from the Taurus Const. beyond Star Taygeta, claim was once one of their former languages. Before you scream fraud, note that USAF Intel Lt. Col. W. Stevens and his team failed to debunk Meier after years of research. The investigation is here. ''YouTube. Contact: Billy Meier Documentary (1982)''. For close up UFO/IFO photos taken from only Meters away(!), with a Ricoh camera on Kodak film, here's that analysis by a Maths. Prof. based mainly on reflections of trees and buildings in the 3 rows of highly polished spheres on a high speed et craft landing in Meier's yard for a chat and photo shoot. This ship was on loan from these ets much higher tech friends in our Twin Dal Universe. It gets here in a millionth of a second, over a 500 light years distance. The Dal scientists have discovered channels within a Galaxy where time and space don't exist and designed craft to enter these channels at low speed, and immediately arrive at their destinations. Their own craft take 7 hours, accelerating to light speed, making the 'jump' then slowing. Search. ''Analysis of The Wedding Cake UFO by Rhal Zahi'. Once you get through that data, and would like to move ahead.. here's a lengthy chat between Meier and the et in charge of their Planet, (beyond Star Taygeta), AND our sector.. On his site, search.. ''Conact251''. You may ask why Meier. Here's his initial 'indoctrination' at age 6 by a very old, near 1000 years old human et, (Sfaath). in charge of this mission, and his Planet Erra. Sfaath died a few years later, after handing the Mission over to Asket, a female human et from the Dal Universe. Search. .''A Billy Meier Wiki. The Future of Mankind. Sfaath explanations''. Am I nutter off the meds? Nah, just a Rtd. airline Check Captain, East African Airways, with multiple UFO/IFO sightings.
I don’t expect much from this newfound openness regarding the abduction aspect. I think that it will be a long time before that will be discussed in Congressional committees, unfortunately.
The nukes issue, otoh, might gain traction, given that we have a lot of evidence to look at, and many credible witnesses to speak to. However, anything to do with nukes is so hush-hush already that, even if the government weren’t antsy about revealing their occasional fiddling by the Saucer People, discussion is hampered by so much obscurity.
That said, with this report to Congress, and all of these military sightings being taken seriously by the Press, Robert Hastings is the guy to talk to right now.
There are so many theories as to who They are. What I find fascinating is the possibility that they may be homegrown. Perhaps we aren't at the top of the food chain on this planet. I don't buy the break-away civilization theory but maybe something from the deep ocean that was evolving at a rapid pace undisturbed for eons while land based animals evolved. They may know our time here is coming to and end and don't feel the need to be so secretive any more.....
That they originate from deep in the oceans is among the top five or so least likely explanations, imho. It’s not really an environment conducive to technological development. Beginning with the control fire, but continuing on through scores of other trifling matters.
except for the water pressure issue from the ocean depths.. Hey wait..... their craft can make right angle turns at astonishing speeds..What did Elizondo say regarding this???.. That it would take one of our aircraft 1/2 the state of Ohio to execute turns like the UFO's accomplish in a millisecond....so I guess anything is possible and nothing should be left off the table
It's worse than you think - if that's the way you think.
Even if a craft landed by the White House and its occupants claimed to officially represent another world, how could we confirm any claims they made? We'd have no means of distinguishing good intentions from bad over the long term. Acts of apparent hostility could be performed by individuals or by official sanction and we wouldn't be able to tell the difference. How could we retaliate or even identify a valid target?
They could affect our minds remotely or expose our senses directly to extremely strange situations. We'd have virtually no control and no means of telling reality from hallucination.
Kids are taught not to speak to strangers, so there's a general tendency for adults not to engage in conversation with kids (depending on the circumstances).
Welcome to a new normal where everyone on Earth is a minor in a far more complex reality.
(This has probably always been the situation; we're just starting to become of aware of it.)
So much gets published that I forget where I hear some stuff, but it may have been someone like Mellon in an interview who very clearly indicated that the naval vessels were unable to affect or track them (despite having anti-drone tech).
I wouldn't be surprised to learn there's a no-fire policy in effect with certain military units when it comes to UFOs. I think it accounts for why there were no interceptors in the vicinity of Prez Bush's Texas estate in 08 when the whole drama was being tracked on radar -- their presence might've been interpreted as a dangerous provocation.
You would think that someone in the congressional committee behind closed doors would have asked such a question regarding the failure to intercept back in 2008 , especially over our sovereign land You would think that an established reporter from the WAPO NYT or AP will broach this question as well when the "watered down" report is publicly released.
I’ve had the same thoughts for years: A “working relationship” with any alien species would be fraught, as we’d never (or, not for a very long time) be able to trust them. I don’t say that out of knee-jerk suspicion of others, but as a rational observation that we’d simply have no grounding for trust. We could come to an understanding about many things, of course, but their motivation would necessarily be something that we couldn’t be assured of. And that’s unfortunate.
But, it gets worse. Any cooperation with them would require tremendous leaps of faith on our collective part. But, that masses of people have recently succumbed to the deeply irrational and full of hostility, this does note bode well. To many, the aliens will always be demons. Or, angels come to save humanity from the demons among us. Or ...
Contact will not be the kumbaya moment for humanity, for a number of reasons, iow. And that sucks.
Why would any NH or interdimensional intelligence desire to communicate with us since they're, in all probability , hundreds, thousands or even millions of years ahead of us in technological development.. I think they're just surveilling us and have been doing so for quite some time. For all we know that they don't breathe the same air composition as us and have probably ( already) used mind control or remote viewing as a means to communicate
I suspect the same: that they have been conducting surveillance. We’ve reached the point where we could be a threat to them (soonish) and they’d be remiss in ignoring us. But, they don’t hide themselves, which suggests to me that they want us to become accustomed to their existence and, ultimately, to some kind of relationship.
That said, I don’t think that they are feeling rushed. And, why not? They certainly are in control. So, they’re ok with allowing us to see them, yet do not reveal too much. I think that may be what the apparent shape-shifting is about: dazzle camouflage of some sort to keep us from understanding too much, too soon. The skeptics’ appeal to why they haven’t landed on the White House lawn is shortsighted, if not naive, imho.
Good reply.. Come to think of it if "they" anticipated Fravor's rendezvous' point after the Nimitz encounter they in all probability fully would know where to land in DC to make a statement to the people of the United States.
Ya know, that's a good observation..Elizondo states the same thought about a complex reality , including that 90 % of the universe is composed of dark matter... What is known but has fallen under the radar of mainstream news media is that Fravor and his wingman returned to a restore point about 60 miles away from their encounter which only they were privy to ..Yet the UAP was awaiting them upon their arrival.. How did the "intelligence" know the so called rendezvous point ?? Pretty unraveling and unnerving
"lab-rat treatment at the hands of amoral non-human techno-wizards" Great wording !!
Ya need to go one step at a time for mainstream society to accept that the phenomena is real.... Even Leslie Kean has cautioned her FB audience to be circumspect on the abduction matter
I would have thought that Salas and Hastings would have refrained from incorporating their own personal experiences.. Its not the right time to go there w/o inviting a blowback from the usual skeptical audience who will draw an inference that none of this is real.....Even some of the vets that went on the record to help Hastings in the writing of his book have been discouraged and betrayed...I finished reading a short book entitled the "UFO Briefing Book" authored by a James Plough, a retired attorney, who is well versed in the machinations of government bureaucracy. He states that he has already submitted his book to the members of the congressional committees entasked with moving the UAP issue forward..The only sticking point is that on his web site he states that he has experienced abductions himself.. When congressional aides review his web site it will not go well, and sadly will not be taken seriously by our elected representatives . Other than that, Plough has the right suggestions in how to centralize all data and to consider public policy changes to encourage others to come forward w/o fear of reprisal or repercussion
Robert did receive quite a lot of leery warnings about publishing his account; from myself included. However, he’d been carrying this around for decades, including the experiences of others. As life chugs on, he’d come to the conclusion that he needed to get it off his chest, and I respect that. In the end, I don’t know that it has had a negative impact. And there has been a positive result, in that he’s had people from very interesting backgrounds confidentially share their own similar experiences. For that alone, I think, Robert feels that it was worth it.
People will freak out if such a revelation is made. It'll also become political because the religious folks will label them as demons. The non-religious/atheists won't buy it unless there's absolute proof. I've always suspected the abduction/weirdness factor has kept the official lid tight on the Phenomena because those in the know are scared. It'll turn the world upside down and go to may individual core beliefs. Is there a God? Are humans the product of evolution or are we designed by Them? If so, for what purpose? What is the point of coming down and snatching people up if not only to scare the hell out of them? Is the Trickster card being played now? Maybe a concerted effort will be made to study UAP's but then the UAP's stop their display like the events at Skin Walker Ranch? Great column Billy.
I remember thinking about these issues as a kid, about how the very religious would refuse to believe that they weren’t demons, or whatever. And, that we’d probably eventually come to a point where we could mostly all agree to face this rationally. Sadly, the future isn’t looking so bright on that point.
But, as I stated in another comment above, I’ve also long been certain that any relationship between us and them would be one of near constant doubt as to their motives, as we’d simply be unable to trust them. Perhaps the “demons from the skies” crowd aren’t being so irrational, in their own way.
The demons scenario is already present in military/intelligence circles. Elizondo, Pope and others have all remarked that there is a resistance to even studying the phenomenon because it might invoke Satan's spawn.
Harry Reid stated the same opinion..He received blowback from some of his colleagues regarding this as well.. He referred to the naysayers as fundamental Christians whose core beliefs would not be changed
Right, Joe. Also, there was a big stink about ten years ago over the claims that the USAF Academy had become a hotbed of Christian evangelism - some parents of cadets even sued. Some of those graduates are probably senior officers now, maybe working in the Pentagon. "Childhood's End" anyone?
Is the Trickster card being played now?.. That was Vallee's take.. He recently wrote a book detailing a 1945 San Antonio UFO crash where the military showed up to recover the debris and then left the sight unguarded while the team members went into the nearest town to get a meal ..This is unbecoming of Vallee who has authored some good credible work during his distinguished career.
We can only hope they can't communicate with the animals, plants, or planet. If the plants and animals tell them how humans have treated them and the human disregard for the planet in general it may not be so fun not being the most advanced, top intelligence at all.
Facts. Swiss Billy Meier of theyfly dot com, has had over 1700 face to face chats, since 1943 with a group of human ets, here on a now completed 35,000 years mission. They have left us with 45,000 pages of data, some still not translated from German. The contacts were conducted in German, that these human ets from the Taurus Const. beyond Star Taygeta, claim was once one of their former languages. Before you scream fraud, note that USAF Intel Lt. Col. W. Stevens and his team failed to debunk Meier after years of research. The investigation is here. ''YouTube. Contact: Billy Meier Documentary (1982)''. For close up UFO/IFO photos taken from only Meters away(!), with a Ricoh camera on Kodak film, here's that analysis by a Maths. Prof. based mainly on reflections of trees and buildings in the 3 rows of highly polished spheres on a high speed et craft landing in Meier's yard for a chat and photo shoot. This ship was on loan from these ets much higher tech friends in our Twin Dal Universe. It gets here in a millionth of a second, over a 500 light years distance. The Dal scientists have discovered channels within a Galaxy where time and space don't exist and designed craft to enter these channels at low speed, and immediately arrive at their destinations. Their own craft take 7 hours, accelerating to light speed, making the 'jump' then slowing. Search. ''Analysis of The Wedding Cake UFO by Rhal Zahi'. Once you get through that data, and would like to move ahead.. here's a lengthy chat between Meier and the et in charge of their Planet, (beyond Star Taygeta), AND our sector.. On his site, search.. ''Conact251''. You may ask why Meier. Here's his initial 'indoctrination' at age 6 by a very old, near 1000 years old human et, (Sfaath). in charge of this mission, and his Planet Erra. Sfaath died a few years later, after handing the Mission over to Asket, a female human et from the Dal Universe. Search. .''A Billy Meier Wiki. The Future of Mankind. Sfaath explanations''. Am I nutter off the meds? Nah, just a Rtd. airline Check Captain, East African Airways, with multiple UFO/IFO sightings.
I don’t expect much from this newfound openness regarding the abduction aspect. I think that it will be a long time before that will be discussed in Congressional committees, unfortunately.
The nukes issue, otoh, might gain traction, given that we have a lot of evidence to look at, and many credible witnesses to speak to. However, anything to do with nukes is so hush-hush already that, even if the government weren’t antsy about revealing their occasional fiddling by the Saucer People, discussion is hampered by so much obscurity.
That said, with this report to Congress, and all of these military sightings being taken seriously by the Press, Robert Hastings is the guy to talk to right now.
There are so many theories as to who They are. What I find fascinating is the possibility that they may be homegrown. Perhaps we aren't at the top of the food chain on this planet. I don't buy the break-away civilization theory but maybe something from the deep ocean that was evolving at a rapid pace undisturbed for eons while land based animals evolved. They may know our time here is coming to and end and don't feel the need to be so secretive any more.....
That they originate from deep in the oceans is among the top five or so least likely explanations, imho. It’s not really an environment conducive to technological development. Beginning with the control fire, but continuing on through scores of other trifling matters.
Why do you need fire if you have volcanic vents? I get your point but there's more than one way to do some things.
except for the water pressure issue from the ocean depths.. Hey wait..... their craft can make right angle turns at astonishing speeds..What did Elizondo say regarding this???.. That it would take one of our aircraft 1/2 the state of Ohio to execute turns like the UFO's accomplish in a millisecond....so I guess anything is possible and nothing should be left off the table
It's worse than you think - if that's the way you think.
Even if a craft landed by the White House and its occupants claimed to officially represent another world, how could we confirm any claims they made? We'd have no means of distinguishing good intentions from bad over the long term. Acts of apparent hostility could be performed by individuals or by official sanction and we wouldn't be able to tell the difference. How could we retaliate or even identify a valid target?
They could affect our minds remotely or expose our senses directly to extremely strange situations. We'd have virtually no control and no means of telling reality from hallucination.
Kids are taught not to speak to strangers, so there's a general tendency for adults not to engage in conversation with kids (depending on the circumstances).
Welcome to a new normal where everyone on Earth is a minor in a far more complex reality.
(This has probably always been the situation; we're just starting to become of aware of it.)
Freeman :"How could we retaliate or even identify a valid target"?
Dont you find it curious that the crew on the naval vessels never attempted to open fire when surrounded by the phenomena?
Unless they tried... and had their missals locked up
So much gets published that I forget where I hear some stuff, but it may have been someone like Mellon in an interview who very clearly indicated that the naval vessels were unable to affect or track them (despite having anti-drone tech).
I wouldn't be surprised to learn there's a no-fire policy in effect with certain military units when it comes to UFOs. I think it accounts for why there were no interceptors in the vicinity of Prez Bush's Texas estate in 08 when the whole drama was being tracked on radar -- their presence might've been interpreted as a dangerous provocation.
I wouldn’t be surprised either.
You would think that someone in the congressional committee behind closed doors would have asked such a question regarding the failure to intercept back in 2008 , especially over our sovereign land You would think that an established reporter from the WAPO NYT or AP will broach this question as well when the "watered down" report is publicly released.
I’ve had the same thoughts for years: A “working relationship” with any alien species would be fraught, as we’d never (or, not for a very long time) be able to trust them. I don’t say that out of knee-jerk suspicion of others, but as a rational observation that we’d simply have no grounding for trust. We could come to an understanding about many things, of course, but their motivation would necessarily be something that we couldn’t be assured of. And that’s unfortunate.
But, it gets worse. Any cooperation with them would require tremendous leaps of faith on our collective part. But, that masses of people have recently succumbed to the deeply irrational and full of hostility, this does note bode well. To many, the aliens will always be demons. Or, angels come to save humanity from the demons among us. Or ...
Contact will not be the kumbaya moment for humanity, for a number of reasons, iow. And that sucks.
Why would any NH or interdimensional intelligence desire to communicate with us since they're, in all probability , hundreds, thousands or even millions of years ahead of us in technological development.. I think they're just surveilling us and have been doing so for quite some time. For all we know that they don't breathe the same air composition as us and have probably ( already) used mind control or remote viewing as a means to communicate
I suspect the same: that they have been conducting surveillance. We’ve reached the point where we could be a threat to them (soonish) and they’d be remiss in ignoring us. But, they don’t hide themselves, which suggests to me that they want us to become accustomed to their existence and, ultimately, to some kind of relationship.
That said, I don’t think that they are feeling rushed. And, why not? They certainly are in control. So, they’re ok with allowing us to see them, yet do not reveal too much. I think that may be what the apparent shape-shifting is about: dazzle camouflage of some sort to keep us from understanding too much, too soon. The skeptics’ appeal to why they haven’t landed on the White House lawn is shortsighted, if not naive, imho.
Good reply.. Come to think of it if "they" anticipated Fravor's rendezvous' point after the Nimitz encounter they in all probability fully would know where to land in DC to make a statement to the people of the United States.
Ya know, that's a good observation..Elizondo states the same thought about a complex reality , including that 90 % of the universe is composed of dark matter... What is known but has fallen under the radar of mainstream news media is that Fravor and his wingman returned to a restore point about 60 miles away from their encounter which only they were privy to ..Yet the UAP was awaiting them upon their arrival.. How did the "intelligence" know the so called rendezvous point ?? Pretty unraveling and unnerving
"lab-rat treatment at the hands of amoral non-human techno-wizards" Great wording !!
Ya need to go one step at a time for mainstream society to accept that the phenomena is real.... Even Leslie Kean has cautioned her FB audience to be circumspect on the abduction matter
I would have thought that Salas and Hastings would have refrained from incorporating their own personal experiences.. Its not the right time to go there w/o inviting a blowback from the usual skeptical audience who will draw an inference that none of this is real.....Even some of the vets that went on the record to help Hastings in the writing of his book have been discouraged and betrayed...I finished reading a short book entitled the "UFO Briefing Book" authored by a James Plough, a retired attorney, who is well versed in the machinations of government bureaucracy. He states that he has already submitted his book to the members of the congressional committees entasked with moving the UAP issue forward..The only sticking point is that on his web site he states that he has experienced abductions himself.. When congressional aides review his web site it will not go well, and sadly will not be taken seriously by our elected representatives . Other than that, Plough has the right suggestions in how to centralize all data and to consider public policy changes to encourage others to come forward w/o fear of reprisal or repercussion
Robert did receive quite a lot of leery warnings about publishing his account; from myself included. However, he’d been carrying this around for decades, including the experiences of others. As life chugs on, he’d come to the conclusion that he needed to get it off his chest, and I respect that. In the end, I don’t know that it has had a negative impact. And there has been a positive result, in that he’s had people from very interesting backgrounds confidentially share their own similar experiences. For that alone, I think, Robert feels that it was worth it.
correction..The author is James P. Lough....... jplufo.com
People will freak out if such a revelation is made. It'll also become political because the religious folks will label them as demons. The non-religious/atheists won't buy it unless there's absolute proof. I've always suspected the abduction/weirdness factor has kept the official lid tight on the Phenomena because those in the know are scared. It'll turn the world upside down and go to may individual core beliefs. Is there a God? Are humans the product of evolution or are we designed by Them? If so, for what purpose? What is the point of coming down and snatching people up if not only to scare the hell out of them? Is the Trickster card being played now? Maybe a concerted effort will be made to study UAP's but then the UAP's stop their display like the events at Skin Walker Ranch? Great column Billy.
I remember thinking about these issues as a kid, about how the very religious would refuse to believe that they weren’t demons, or whatever. And, that we’d probably eventually come to a point where we could mostly all agree to face this rationally. Sadly, the future isn’t looking so bright on that point.
But, as I stated in another comment above, I’ve also long been certain that any relationship between us and them would be one of near constant doubt as to their motives, as we’d simply be unable to trust them. Perhaps the “demons from the skies” crowd aren’t being so irrational, in their own way.
The demons scenario is already present in military/intelligence circles. Elizondo, Pope and others have all remarked that there is a resistance to even studying the phenomenon because it might invoke Satan's spawn.
Harry Reid stated the same opinion..He received blowback from some of his colleagues regarding this as well.. He referred to the naysayers as fundamental Christians whose core beliefs would not be changed
Right, Joe. Also, there was a big stink about ten years ago over the claims that the USAF Academy had become a hotbed of Christian evangelism - some parents of cadets even sued. Some of those graduates are probably senior officers now, maybe working in the Pentagon. "Childhood's End" anyone?
Is the Trickster card being played now?.. That was Vallee's take.. He recently wrote a book detailing a 1945 San Antonio UFO crash where the military showed up to recover the debris and then left the sight unguarded while the team members went into the nearest town to get a meal ..This is unbecoming of Vallee who has authored some good credible work during his distinguished career.