Nice to see that Powell totally gets the financial aspect of this. But, I don’t see how the AARO thinks it can penetrate topics “above top secret”. Where would the balance be between disclosure and security?
You're right. AARO is just another stovepipe. And OUSD(I&S) Ronald Moultrie knew exactly what he was doing when he appointed Sean Kirkpatrick to slow-walk AARO data to its 2026 sunset date.
Did we shoot down a TicTac today? I'm doubtful but it would be interesting if we had an Alaskan version of Roswell. IMO that would be further proof of the Phenomena just jerking us around again!
Ha. Ha. Politico is saying it was cylindrical shaped with no surveillance apparatus. (Probably no means of propulsion too!) What have THEY done? Thanks Joe Biden for starting an intergalactic/inter-dimensional, pan-temporal war!
I think it's hilarious NORAD missed the last Chinese spy balloons because they were classified as UAP's and nobody decided to give them a look. They're really busting a nut to investigate UAPs.
While it would be nice to have at least one complete report on a UAP incident; one report isn't going to cut it and there's always the more-than-likely possibility that it could turn out to be something mundane.
Everyone has their favoured cases, depending on how any individual weighs the evidence using the skills and knowledge at their disposal, and that's how everyone (who is pro-UAP-study) comes to the conclusion that there's a signal within the noise; which clearly shows that the public needs to see ALL of the BEST cases for there to be any long term benefit.
This is the issue that's remained unanswered since the mission of Mellon and friends became clearer: Is the official study of UAP meant to benefit the general public or provide a benefit to the U.S. military? Although that sounds like a conspiracy theory, it's simply the manner in which the machinery of government works.
While we're all hoping that witnesses (protected from possible prosecution) step forward to tell Congress their experiences, the public still needs whistle-blowers to reveal what's been discussed in those secret meetings.
A government of the people, by the people and for the people doesn't necessarily inform the people, when it appears to serve the greater good for them not to know.
The military's posture with UAP is the same as with terrestrial competitors -- threat assessment. That vigilance will continue regardless of whether or not civilian science reaches a consensus on UFOs. What remains to be seen is the level of commitment from independent scientists. Open-source data is the only way we can evolve into a deeper understanding of these phenomena. The question is, can an investment of time and resources in a riddle without promise of immediate or even distant payoffs sustain itself without degenerating into proprietary feuds? Will it produce Jonas Salk or PharmaBro?
I know we're repeating what's been said, but large scale commitment from 'independent' scientists still depends on funding. Being able to investigate depends on access to information and the best information tends to be in the hands of the military (not open source). We still see a clear psychological bias polarising opinions on whether the UAP data set contains a subset of paranormal phenomena (or non-human tech) - with the pro-study group continuing to investigate while the nay-sayers disproportionately influence the media.
If an aspect of the phenomena turns out to be non-human intelligence then the degree to which it reacts to our investigations may depend on the number of different sources i.e. if only a single alien civilisation is responsible then it may fly away at any time, but if a multitude of civilisations are visiting then the average number of incidents may remain relatively constant over the years regardless of how aggressively we search for answers.
The military is key. The nations of the world never cease in their global arms race to obtain or maintain the upper hand with fear as the dominant factor; but the U.S. military is in a very healthy position, quite able to provide information on a much more open basis without affecting the wellbeing of its citizens (citizens who are arguably better served by general scientific advancement).
In some respects the U.S. appears to be a military state. Future history might gauge it that way in the light of a(nother) significant failure to serve a greater good.
Nice to see that Powell totally gets the financial aspect of this. But, I don’t see how the AARO thinks it can penetrate topics “above top secret”. Where would the balance be between disclosure and security?
You're right. AARO is just another stovepipe. And OUSD(I&S) Ronald Moultrie knew exactly what he was doing when he appointed Sean Kirkpatrick to slow-walk AARO data to its 2026 sunset date.
Hey Billy:
Did we shoot down a TicTac today? I'm doubtful but it would be interesting if we had an Alaskan version of Roswell. IMO that would be further proof of the Phenomena just jerking us around again!
What is this "we" you speak of, Kemosabe?
Ha. Ha. Politico is saying it was cylindrical shaped with no surveillance apparatus. (Probably no means of propulsion too!) What have THEY done? Thanks Joe Biden for starting an intergalactic/inter-dimensional, pan-temporal war!
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/10/military-shoots-down-high-altitude-object-over-alaska-00082367
UAP Detection
https://clifhigh.substack.com/p/uap-detection?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication_id=681568&post_id=101725176&utm_medium=email#details
I think it's hilarious NORAD missed the last Chinese spy balloons because they were classified as UAP's and nobody decided to give them a look. They're really busting a nut to investigate UAPs.
"Isn't it ironic? Don'tcha think?"
Great idea. But not holding my breath.
While it would be nice to have at least one complete report on a UAP incident; one report isn't going to cut it and there's always the more-than-likely possibility that it could turn out to be something mundane.
Everyone has their favoured cases, depending on how any individual weighs the evidence using the skills and knowledge at their disposal, and that's how everyone (who is pro-UAP-study) comes to the conclusion that there's a signal within the noise; which clearly shows that the public needs to see ALL of the BEST cases for there to be any long term benefit.
This is the issue that's remained unanswered since the mission of Mellon and friends became clearer: Is the official study of UAP meant to benefit the general public or provide a benefit to the U.S. military? Although that sounds like a conspiracy theory, it's simply the manner in which the machinery of government works.
While we're all hoping that witnesses (protected from possible prosecution) step forward to tell Congress their experiences, the public still needs whistle-blowers to reveal what's been discussed in those secret meetings.
A government of the people, by the people and for the people doesn't necessarily inform the people, when it appears to serve the greater good for them not to know.
The military's posture with UAP is the same as with terrestrial competitors -- threat assessment. That vigilance will continue regardless of whether or not civilian science reaches a consensus on UFOs. What remains to be seen is the level of commitment from independent scientists. Open-source data is the only way we can evolve into a deeper understanding of these phenomena. The question is, can an investment of time and resources in a riddle without promise of immediate or even distant payoffs sustain itself without degenerating into proprietary feuds? Will it produce Jonas Salk or PharmaBro?
I know we're repeating what's been said, but large scale commitment from 'independent' scientists still depends on funding. Being able to investigate depends on access to information and the best information tends to be in the hands of the military (not open source). We still see a clear psychological bias polarising opinions on whether the UAP data set contains a subset of paranormal phenomena (or non-human tech) - with the pro-study group continuing to investigate while the nay-sayers disproportionately influence the media.
If an aspect of the phenomena turns out to be non-human intelligence then the degree to which it reacts to our investigations may depend on the number of different sources i.e. if only a single alien civilisation is responsible then it may fly away at any time, but if a multitude of civilisations are visiting then the average number of incidents may remain relatively constant over the years regardless of how aggressively we search for answers.
The military is key. The nations of the world never cease in their global arms race to obtain or maintain the upper hand with fear as the dominant factor; but the U.S. military is in a very healthy position, quite able to provide information on a much more open basis without affecting the wellbeing of its citizens (citizens who are arguably better served by general scientific advancement).
In some respects the U.S. appears to be a military state. Future history might gauge it that way in the light of a(nother) significant failure to serve a greater good.