It seems to me that Avi Loeb should be focused on his Galileo Project's core mission. Especially since he speciously claims that "UFOs Are Always Blurry in Photos".
"attempting to revoke Elizondo’s security clearance"
This "security clearance" issue with LE is what has always bothered me about this story starting in 2017, and the entire TTSA-TD debacle. The same applies to Mellon and the other "ex" intel people brought into TTSA.
So, this newest soap opera story involving Reid versus LE smells like yet another reframe diversion.
No one with any kind of security clearance can get away with blabbing like this without serious repercussions. It's just very fishy.
Back in May 2021 the DOD Inspector General's office issued a memo to just about every military and intelligence branch in the government announcing the start of an "evaluation to determine the extent to which the DOD has taken actions" regarding UAP.
I never saw anything about what prompted the decision to launch the evaluation, but I suspect the lack of cooperation with the UAP task force by various agencies and/or persons played a role.
Although Reid's dismissal is here attributed to ethical transgressions, I'm wondering if the IG "evaluation" is in the shadows here.
The IG memo also stated: "We may revise the objective as the evaluation proceeds..." A rather cryptic qualifier. Still, to me it suggests the focus of the evaluation might include identifying and 'retiring' long time hardliners who oppose and thwart more UAP transparency.
One can hope.
As to Dr. Greer, that's an interesting juxtaposition with your last piece about Kevin Day. Whereas Kevin's experiences sent him for a while into depression and personal drift, Dr. Greer went the opposite direction... to the Chrono-Synclastic Infundibulum.
Judging by the past, one should agree. But I'm hoping some new blood in the ranks of the bureaucracy is recognizing the absurdity of all the UAP secrecy and inter-agency rivalry.
As for Congress, I have less hope. Sen. Gillibrand seems to be a lone voice, crying in the wilderness.
Love the snark about Greer Billy! Where do I send my check to develop a rapport with ET?. Does anyone know the background on the jerk that went after Elizondo? Is he a lifer military type or a political appointee? I caught Lue on a podcast recently along with Sean Cahill and both seemed pretty PO'ed regarding all the personal attacks. I think these guys are burning out trying to bring clarity to the subject. Lue's gotta stay away from Fox News though......Great column Billy.
It used to be that the only question was whether ET was actually visiting us or not, but these days you need a PHD in soap operas to keep track of who's on which side and what exactly might they know.
The short answer, as far as I'm concerned, is that the good guys are: Chris Mellon, Luis Elizondo and anyone else involved with TTSA, Eric Davis, Kit Green (and at least some aliens up there). Think that covers most of them.
(I still think that Elizondo's AATIP was a concocted story to grab a headline and AAWSAP was the only real element that ended in 2012 when the money ran out and all the deliverables were, er, delivered, to Lacatski, whose idea it was and who managed it and who was also the guy checking that BAASS got it right.)
I wonder what evidence Mellon and Elizondo were aiming to present to Mattis, but never got the chance; was it internal investigations of military UAP, or the output from AAWSAP? Perhaps Mr E will reveal that tidbit in his book.
I'm not sure I believe in the Collins Elite, and I'm not surprised that at least one misogynistic bully held high office in the DoD. Can't see Garry Reid opposing UAP research on theological grounds, but I can imagine someone with his rep being vindictive to anyone who upsets his personal applecart.
Perhaps Greer should be added to the list of good guys, or perhaps to a list of good guys gone gaga. Perhaps that's the fate of all of us who stay the course and stick to a particular theory, like a slightly off-course rocket that disappears over the horizon, landing who knows where, just very far away.
What can the military reveal? Even if true, could they officially confirm a UAP as having all the hallmarks of a technology not available to humanity as yet (based on the fusion of sensor data and eye witness accounts)? Would that be a finding that anyone would endorse for official release? Or would they equivocate and try to grab a piece, any way they could?
What's Mellon's end game? Does he hope that Congress will do right by the people (even with friendly individuals seemingly taking up the cause)? What would any government see as the serving the greatest good in such circumstances? (Hint: which general program receives more funding, FOIA or Intelligence gathering?)
Funnily enough, perhaps the only way we'll learn the truth is when fear is banished; is that what Greer has right?
If only :) but I'd be too much of a security risk because I'd blab.
In one of Davis' interviews he pointed out the problem of stove-piping; that team members couldn't approach a friend who had the skills and knowledge to help, unless the friend was able to be read-in to the program.
I think congressional fact-finding will hit a similar problem because the best data will come from classified sensors and related systems and it's unlikely that a techie with the relevant skills will be made available to provide an analysis (and be free to give a full and true report). If the politicians rely on AOIMSG then who can guarantee that the relevant specialists are being used and it's not just Blue Book all over again.
It's just too easy to explain to a politician that a specific bit of data is a sensor glitch, and tell them they can't make that public because it reveals a weakness in the system.
To get a true picture, the best analysts have to be on your side, but they all work for the DoD. AOIMSG would have to have the best analysts, have access to the best data AND the analysts would need to be instructed by the Commander-In-Chief to be completely forthcoming with Congress (irrespective of any NDAs or previous orders).
I understand, to a degree, the concept of research compartmentalization in order to ensure the independent veracity of the results. However, whether or not one believes in Bob Lazar's accounts, it would appear that the prevailing model of experimentation in rigid isolation is not only counterproductive when it comes to the UFO challenge, but obsolete. Researchers *must* be free to discuss their progress with colleagues working on different aspects of the project.
That scenario presupposes the DoD wants a real and open investigation, despite the difficulties that classified technologies present.
The public definitely won't see all the answers.
Congress may see most, or even all.
But what happens if the DoD's agenda is to tamp down the lid again, by assigning investigators and analysts who have no interest in the issue. Worst case scenario: the DoD may throw the Navy pilots under the bus by rubbishing their sightings (which could be one reason why the Air Force hasn't been co-operative to date).
Ross Coulthart has stated that members of Congress have been shocked by the secret briefings, but we don't know what they were shown. If the DoD has to walk it all back then that will take a significant amount of effort, but they may have no choice if they want to put the genie back in the bottle.
The cleanest way is to have the original witnesses recant their accounts and to reduce the number of recorded UAP sightings.
I may be wrong and Congress gets updated and starts leaking interesting cases, but that would fly in the face of ufological history.
There is no upside for the DoD providing information that points towards non-human tech on planet Earth (as the Nimitz case clearly suggests when everything is taken into account).
Or perhaps they have no agenda and intend to wash their hands of any potential problems, placing responsibility for the consequences on the shoulders of Congress; in which case we may see Congress go silent over an extended period of time when reality settles in and pragmatism wins out.
Or perhaps miracles are possible and the U.S. Government, DoD included, draw other countries into the same type of research and investigations, making it as open and transparent as possible to the general public, sharing as many details of as many cases as national security will allow.
"What would any government see as the serving the greatest good in such circumstances?"
I think the more important question is what current "government" on this planet is actually interested in "serving the greatest good" under any circumstance?
As it is now, the vast majority of governments worldwide are run by self-serving malignant narcissists who are solely interested in their own greatest good.
Harvard Astrophysicist Says Alien-Tech Crashed Into The Pacific Ocean, And Now He Wants To Recover It
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/harvard-astrophysicist-says-alien-tech-crashed-pacific-ocean-and-now-he-wants-recover-it
Hmmm... How do transmedium vehicles "crash" into water?
It seems to me that Avi Loeb should be focused on his Galileo Project's core mission. Especially since he speciously claims that "UFOs Are Always Blurry in Photos".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMUgB_B1DeQ
Which is a completely false claim.
"attempting to revoke Elizondo’s security clearance"
This "security clearance" issue with LE is what has always bothered me about this story starting in 2017, and the entire TTSA-TD debacle. The same applies to Mellon and the other "ex" intel people brought into TTSA.
So, this newest soap opera story involving Reid versus LE smells like yet another reframe diversion.
No one with any kind of security clearance can get away with blabbing like this without serious repercussions. It's just very fishy.
Back in May 2021 the DOD Inspector General's office issued a memo to just about every military and intelligence branch in the government announcing the start of an "evaluation to determine the extent to which the DOD has taken actions" regarding UAP.
I never saw anything about what prompted the decision to launch the evaluation, but I suspect the lack of cooperation with the UAP task force by various agencies and/or persons played a role.
Although Reid's dismissal is here attributed to ethical transgressions, I'm wondering if the IG "evaluation" is in the shadows here.
The IG memo also stated: "We may revise the objective as the evaluation proceeds..." A rather cryptic qualifier. Still, to me it suggests the focus of the evaluation might include identifying and 'retiring' long time hardliners who oppose and thwart more UAP transparency.
One can hope.
As to Dr. Greer, that's an interesting juxtaposition with your last piece about Kevin Day. Whereas Kevin's experiences sent him for a while into depression and personal drift, Dr. Greer went the opposite direction... to the Chrono-Synclastic Infundibulum.
Well, clearly it's all up to Congress at this point. The bureaucracy is incapable of fixing itself.
Judging by the past, one should agree. But I'm hoping some new blood in the ranks of the bureaucracy is recognizing the absurdity of all the UAP secrecy and inter-agency rivalry.
As for Congress, I have less hope. Sen. Gillibrand seems to be a lone voice, crying in the wilderness.
Search Facebook for a CE-5 group near you, you'll find lots of ways to participate that don't cost $2,500.
Yeah, but do you *really* trust riding in steerage?
Great article, Billy. Luis Elizondo is the real deal, of course.
Yeah. He's the "real deal" alright. Just like Mellon is the real deal.
The wrong kind of deal.
There are more holes in this entire story than a container load of Swiss cheese.
Agreed.
GinoSjust now
Love the snark about Greer Billy! Where do I send my check to develop a rapport with ET?. Does anyone know the background on the jerk that went after Elizondo? Is he a lifer military type or a political appointee? I caught Lue on a podcast recently along with Sean Cahill and both seemed pretty PO'ed regarding all the personal attacks. I think these guys are burning out trying to bring clarity to the subject. Lue's gotta stay away from Fox News though......Great column Billy.
If you make that check out to me, I'll make sure ET gets it.
The eternal question: Is he crazy or mendacious? The eternal follow-up: Or both?
In this day and age, a man should be able to have it all.
It used to be that the only question was whether ET was actually visiting us or not, but these days you need a PHD in soap operas to keep track of who's on which side and what exactly might they know.
The short answer, as far as I'm concerned, is that the good guys are: Chris Mellon, Luis Elizondo and anyone else involved with TTSA, Eric Davis, Kit Green (and at least some aliens up there). Think that covers most of them.
(I still think that Elizondo's AATIP was a concocted story to grab a headline and AAWSAP was the only real element that ended in 2012 when the money ran out and all the deliverables were, er, delivered, to Lacatski, whose idea it was and who managed it and who was also the guy checking that BAASS got it right.)
I wonder what evidence Mellon and Elizondo were aiming to present to Mattis, but never got the chance; was it internal investigations of military UAP, or the output from AAWSAP? Perhaps Mr E will reveal that tidbit in his book.
I'm not sure I believe in the Collins Elite, and I'm not surprised that at least one misogynistic bully held high office in the DoD. Can't see Garry Reid opposing UAP research on theological grounds, but I can imagine someone with his rep being vindictive to anyone who upsets his personal applecart.
Perhaps Greer should be added to the list of good guys, or perhaps to a list of good guys gone gaga. Perhaps that's the fate of all of us who stay the course and stick to a particular theory, like a slightly off-course rocket that disappears over the horizon, landing who knows where, just very far away.
What can the military reveal? Even if true, could they officially confirm a UAP as having all the hallmarks of a technology not available to humanity as yet (based on the fusion of sensor data and eye witness accounts)? Would that be a finding that anyone would endorse for official release? Or would they equivocate and try to grab a piece, any way they could?
What's Mellon's end game? Does he hope that Congress will do right by the people (even with friendly individuals seemingly taking up the cause)? What would any government see as the serving the greatest good in such circumstances? (Hint: which general program receives more funding, FOIA or Intelligence gathering?)
Funnily enough, perhaps the only way we'll learn the truth is when fear is banished; is that what Greer has right?
OK, I nominate you to lead the congressional fact-finding team.
If only :) but I'd be too much of a security risk because I'd blab.
In one of Davis' interviews he pointed out the problem of stove-piping; that team members couldn't approach a friend who had the skills and knowledge to help, unless the friend was able to be read-in to the program.
I think congressional fact-finding will hit a similar problem because the best data will come from classified sensors and related systems and it's unlikely that a techie with the relevant skills will be made available to provide an analysis (and be free to give a full and true report). If the politicians rely on AOIMSG then who can guarantee that the relevant specialists are being used and it's not just Blue Book all over again.
It's just too easy to explain to a politician that a specific bit of data is a sensor glitch, and tell them they can't make that public because it reveals a weakness in the system.
To get a true picture, the best analysts have to be on your side, but they all work for the DoD. AOIMSG would have to have the best analysts, have access to the best data AND the analysts would need to be instructed by the Commander-In-Chief to be completely forthcoming with Congress (irrespective of any NDAs or previous orders).
I understand, to a degree, the concept of research compartmentalization in order to ensure the independent veracity of the results. However, whether or not one believes in Bob Lazar's accounts, it would appear that the prevailing model of experimentation in rigid isolation is not only counterproductive when it comes to the UFO challenge, but obsolete. Researchers *must* be free to discuss their progress with colleagues working on different aspects of the project.
That scenario presupposes the DoD wants a real and open investigation, despite the difficulties that classified technologies present.
The public definitely won't see all the answers.
Congress may see most, or even all.
But what happens if the DoD's agenda is to tamp down the lid again, by assigning investigators and analysts who have no interest in the issue. Worst case scenario: the DoD may throw the Navy pilots under the bus by rubbishing their sightings (which could be one reason why the Air Force hasn't been co-operative to date).
Ross Coulthart has stated that members of Congress have been shocked by the secret briefings, but we don't know what they were shown. If the DoD has to walk it all back then that will take a significant amount of effort, but they may have no choice if they want to put the genie back in the bottle.
The cleanest way is to have the original witnesses recant their accounts and to reduce the number of recorded UAP sightings.
I may be wrong and Congress gets updated and starts leaking interesting cases, but that would fly in the face of ufological history.
There is no upside for the DoD providing information that points towards non-human tech on planet Earth (as the Nimitz case clearly suggests when everything is taken into account).
Or perhaps they have no agenda and intend to wash their hands of any potential problems, placing responsibility for the consequences on the shoulders of Congress; in which case we may see Congress go silent over an extended period of time when reality settles in and pragmatism wins out.
Or perhaps miracles are possible and the U.S. Government, DoD included, draw other countries into the same type of research and investigations, making it as open and transparent as possible to the general public, sharing as many details of as many cases as national security will allow.
"What would any government see as the serving the greatest good in such circumstances?"
I think the more important question is what current "government" on this planet is actually interested in "serving the greatest good" under any circumstance?
As it is now, the vast majority of governments worldwide are run by self-serving malignant narcissists who are solely interested in their own greatest good.
"tapped him to coordinate the Afghanistan Crisis Action Group during the fall of Kabul"
That worked out really well (sarc).
As to Greer. WTF?!